IMPLEMENTATION DATE OF SECURITY CAMERAS IN TAXIS
(RESOLUTION)
DATE DE MISE EN PLACE DES CAMÉRAS DE SÉCURITÉ DANS
LES TAXIS (RÉSOLUTION)
ACS2008-CCS-CPS-0008 CITY
WIDE / À L'ÉCHELLE DE LA VILLE
Moved by
Councillor A. Cullen
That in
accordance with Section 84(3) of By-law No. 2006 - 462, the rules of procedure
be suspended to allow the addition of the following item to the agenda for
consideration:
Implementation Date of Security Cameras in Taxis
CARRIED
Ms. Susan Jones, Chief License
Inspector, explained that this item was being brought to the committee’s
attention today because concerns had come to their attention and more time was
needed to consult with the privacy commissioner.
She had the opportunity to meet with
the Privacy Commissioner’s Office in December 2007 and a verbal conversation
took place regarding privacy concerns of the cameras but they had not finalized
their document in writing. For this reason, the Department is requesting that
the Committee approve the motion before them to extend the implementation date
from March 1, 2008 to July 2, 2008. This would allow her the opportunity to
meet with the industry to hear their concerns and as well consult with the
Privacy Commissioner. This way when they do go forward, they will know that
they will be in compliance with the applicable legislation.
At the same they are asking that the
renewal period be extended as well to July 2 so that they do not inconvenience
the industry and everything is done at one time.
Councillor Bédard commented that one
of the issues that has been brought up by the taxi industry is the question of
the protocol with regards to how staff will deal with the photos that will be
generated as a result of these cameras. There is concern with regards to
privacy issues and he believes that it is important to get this item resolved
before the City of Ottawa moves forward with this implementation. The concerns
raised are: how will the photos be used, who will view them and in what
instances will they be used. He feels that it is important to talk to the
Privacy Commissioner, but to also speak with the industry because they have
specific concerns.
The Committee heard from the
following delegations:
Marion Williams, started by saying that the
Committee’s first priority is to the residents and taxpayers of Ottawa, what
she considers the silent majority. Another priority is to protect the most
vulnerable of people who live in the community. She stated that every day she sees taxi cabs pick up special
needs children, the elderly and even our young intoxicated adults. She
commented that every week she reads articles regarding incidents that occur in
the community that involve the use of cameras to assist police officers and
authorities and these lead to an understanding of the course of events that
lead up to some tragedies. She gave an example where it was a taxicab camera in
Toronto that assisted identifying an offender that killed a young shopper.
With regularity she also reads and
hears about incidents involving taxicabs and accusations of inappropriate
conduct by drivers and/or their customers. Cameras have become a best practice
and a standard of expectation in many aspects of our lives. She also mentioned
taped conversations of phone calls where businesses take note to ensure high
standards of customer service and this statement is made by companies and
organizations when you call them.
She stated that cameras are already
being used within the City of Ottawa where cameras are located at the doors so
that security knows who comes in and out of City property.
She stated that the purpose is not
any different for this industry; cameras are warranted in the taxi industry and
are commonplace in other cities. She asked the Committee not to be fooled by
the other arguments being presented by the industry. She commented that they
would agree on any front in order to stall the implementation.
It is her understanding with the
courses she has taken on privacy, that the collection of data on cameras is not
in violation of privacy but rather how the data may be used. She strongly suggested that they move
forward with the March 1, 2008 implementation and that cameras be installed
without extension.
On the matter of transparency, she
stated that she was disappointed and upset that this discussion was occurring
today, as it was not on the agenda.
Councillor Deans then inquired from
staff, giving them an opportunity to explain why this issue was placed on the
agenda today without adequate notice to the public.
Ms. Jones began by apologizing and
recognized the need to advertise given the importance of this issue, however,
unfortunately it had come to their attention only very recently and following
discussions with the Legal Department who advised that they should consult with
the Privacy Commissioner and ensure that they have their support before they
move forward. As well, they were made aware that there was not another
Committee meeting until March, and knowing that the By-law stated installation
of cameras by March 1, 2008, they were required to place this item on the
agenda immediately.
Councillor Deans apologized as well,
explaining that the second meeting that normally would be carried out in
February where this issue may have been dealt with and advertised was cancelled
at the start of the year. Therefore, because of the time sensitive nature, the
decision was just taken yesterday to put it on this agenda. She stated that
normally the City would ensure that something of this importance would go
through the advertising process. There was no ill intent, it just became clear
that this was the only opportunity to deal with the issue before going to
Council where the public would have had no say or debate. Councillor Deans
apologized to Ms. Williams stating that she should have contacted her and said
that they would try not to repeat this again.
Marc-André Way, stated
with regards to the motion, they feel that the by-law should not be delayed,
but rather suspended until a proper form is put together and discussions are
had with the industry and the drivers in order for everyone to properly
understand the specifications required and why they are required. He commented
that there was a need to understand, review and establish a proper protocol so
that drivers understand how the images would be used. They would like to have
meaningful discussion on all options pertaining to the security of the
passengers and the drivers. Cameras are one aspect of the security issue and he
was sure that there are others that could be discussed and implemented at the
same time.
He stated that the meter check and
the renewal process should not be delayed; it should go through as per the
present by-law in April. The discussions should take place either during this
time or afterwards, and he ensured that the industry, once the discussions have
occurred and a by-law is reworked, that they will follow through and have the
equipment installed if necessary.
Councillor Deans noted to the
delegate that Councillor Bédard has put a resolution on the table, which asks
for a protocol to be prepared before the implementation date.
Hanif
Patni, President
& CEO, Coventry Connections, stated they were not present to attack staff or
Councillors or suggesting that the City of Ottawa had done the implementation
incorrectly but that over the last couple of years a number of changes had
taken place in the taxi industry. He
stated that in the last round of by-law changes 34 changes were made. He
commented that when that when that number of changes are made, especially in
this industry, there is bound to be misjudgements and errors made. It is his
belief that with so many changes being made all at once, that it was a missed
error on the part of the City not to address the privacy concerns. He is very
grateful for the motion and is glad that it is being done.
He also wanted to stress that with
the issue of the camera, there are other problems that they want addressed
while there is time to talk. In particular, the dissemination of information
captured from the camera is most powerful when it is in black and white format
and that the cameras do not need to be in colour. He believes that the
specifications for the cameras are not correct and a discussion has to be had
in an open forum.
He also raised the issue of the
surcharge, which was used to collect money for camera installation. This was an amount collected by the drivers
yet the by-law today is asking the plate owner to pay for these cameras. He
stated that they as the plate owner could not go to their drivers and now
collect the money. Details on this issue need to be worked out.
He urged the Committee not to put a
deadline on this as all parties need to have a proper discussion with the
privacy commissioner, councillors, staff, unions, the drivers and their
customers and come up with a resolution that is appropriate.
Councillor Bédard stated that it was
his understanding that the cameras had already been ordered and the issue was
settled through a public tender.
Mr. Patni responded stating that
this was never completely clear to him but believed that even if one supplier
had been selected, there are possibilities of downgrading the camera
specifications and changing the cameras.
Councillor Bédard inquired from
staff what was the status of the cameras and if a tender had been issued.
Ms. Jones concurred and stated that
initially they had done a request for information and that two companies had
come forward and they were invited to do a demonstration on their product. One
company appeared before the Committee on July 10, 2006, to demonstrate exactly
what the camera could do. Following this, they had surveyed other Canadian
Municipalities to determine what were being used and other technical
requirements. A Request for Proposal was then issued and she believes that 15
companies had picked up the request and approximately 6 companies submitted
bids.
Ms. Jones also cleared up another
piece of misinformation regarding colour cameras and explained that are
actually black and white as they recognize that these are better images. They
have gone out and done the full consultation on the best camera available and
ultimately it is to protect the drivers and the customers; they want to ensure
that the product works.
Councillor Bédard inquired further
on the issue of the surcharge and the fact that is was collected by the drivers
and not passed on to the plate owners who are responsible for camera
installation.
Ms. Jones explained using the
following analogy: if you have a landlord that rents to a tenant and if the
landlord is responsible for paying for cable and the price goes up, the
landlord will then negotiate a new lease. She stated that there are plate
owners who have gained significantly since amalgamation and the fact that
council approved the one zone concept. Plate values in the City have not only
doubled, but in some instances they have tripled depending on the former
municipality. She further stated that they have had two and a half years notice
of this by-law and it was up to the plate owners to negotiate a new lease with
their drivers and recover those fees.
Councillor Bédard commented however
that at that time the cost was estimated at $1,200 for camera and
installation.
Ms. Jones explained that this was a
quote provided by a company at that time when the standards for the cameras may
have been different. She commented that the City of Toronto has had cameras in
their vehicles for approximately 5 years and they were around $700 at that time
but they quickly realized that they were not providing the security needs required.
They have since changed the specifications and a camera in Toronto is
approximately $1,200 basically what was stated for the City of Ottawa.
Ms. Jones also added for the
Committee’s interest, that Toronto did not apply a surcharge, it was
automatically expected that the owners would pay for the camera and
installation.
In response to Councillor Bédard
question on the installation and orders, Ms. Jones reported that the cameras
are sitting in the installation shops as we speak as the expectation was for a
March 1, 2008 implementation. She informed the committee that the City
negotiated with installers and has identified 2 installers at this point and
are looking for others.
In response to Councillor Qadri
comments of being aware of this issue for some time, Mr. Patni confirmed that
they were aware but stated that there were 3 mistakes made by the City. They
have been consistent with this fact and have always said that 3 issues had not
been addressed adequately. These issues are now being discussed but at this
late date.
Councillor Qadri commented again
that the industry has known about this for more than 2 years and why is it
being discussed now.
Mr. Patni stated again they have
been consistent in their opposition since the beginning on certain aspects and
that this was not new.
Councillor Qadri stated again that
from day one, the drivers and plate owners knew of the surcharge and therefore
this should not be an issue. Mr. Patni
responded stating that the manner in which the surcharge was applied was
totally inappropriate for these cameras. He will continue to state this even
though the City may not necessarily agree with his views. He commented that if the City wanted to
collect the money for the cameras, they should have applied a surcharge to the
licensing fee which they could have collected every month and passed on to a
trust account which could have easily paid for these cameras rather than a lump
sum amount at time of installation.
Councillor Qadri stated again that
the onus for collecting and putting away the surcharge was the responsibility
of the driver and plate owner.
In response to Councillor Feltmate
question on whether the surcharge was a decision made by Council, Ms. Jones
replied that it was a recommendation from staff after extensive public
consultation. Councillor Feltmate
commented stating that she feels that these are business people and should have
known how to put aside the surcharge monies.
Mohamad Alsadi, representative of
the union (CAW),
wanted to clarify that they appreciate the intention to try to find useful
measures that will deal with the issue of driver and passenger safety. His
understanding for this issue now was to give staff the chance to go and meet
with the Privacy Commissioner and get some input on the issue of the camera.
He referred to a document from the
union, which he distributed to the Committee members. A copy of this document is held on file with the City Clerk’s
office. He referenced a meeting of the
Committee on July 5, 2007 where the issue of the camera was discussed and a
motion made regarding this issue. He stated that a Councillor asked whether the
recommendations to install cameras had been vetted through the Privacy Act and
Ms. Jones advised that they were working with Legal on this matter and
hopefully report back by the next Council meeting. The next council meeting was
July 11, 2007 and this did not happen.
He commented that the by-law was
passed in 2005 and he wanted to make it very clear that the by-law on the
camera was passed before the inquest for Sara McCarthy and before the incident
itself. He went on to further comment that he believes there is a major issue
on whether or not this by-law was done in the proper way.
He further referenced his document
on privacy issues and how the images that are downloaded from the cameras will
be used. He commented that Commissions
in British Columbia and Manitoba dealt with the issue very differently and the
City by-law he considers very sloppy in this regard.
He went on to say that the City had
over stepped its authority by making purchases on behalf of the drivers and
plate owners. He also had concerns with
comments made by staff regarding the cost of the cameras. In the minutes from the September 8, 2005,
Ms. Jones told the committee in response to Chair Little that the cost of the
camera would be $700 to $1000. However,
comments by Ms. Jones’ in the Ottawa Sun was that the drivers were told from
the beginning that the camera was going to cost about $1500.
Yusef Al Mezel, President of the CAW
Local 1688, agreed
with his colleagues that they need the Privacy Commissioner’s guidance and
concurred that the City had failed to deal with this issue and provide the
industry and the public with the information on who would be using these images
and in what types of instances these images will be downloaded. It is not only
the drivers getting into the cars; it is our families as well.
He reminded staff that when they met
with them at Centerpointe to deal with the changes in 2005, they were told
between $300-$500, and were informed of the specifications of the camera and
that the City was going to provide the cameras. It was only two months ago that
they were informed of the change in the cost. This is why they are now
complaining about the cost. It was
thought that the City would shop around for the camera, seeking out the best
deal possible in the market. They had found out that the City of Ottawa signed
a contract and are now telling them that they have to go deal with a specific
contractor otherwise they will be penalized.
He commented that they should not
take responsibility for a deal and costs the City incurred for them.
Mr. Mezel stated that are not
opposed to cameras, but they would like the City to come and talk to them so
that they can discuss how this is going to be paid for, how much it will cost,
and how they can get the best camera for the best price. As well, discuss who
will be looking at these images and when they will actually be looked at and
used.
By having these discussions he
believe that they could find solutions for these issues and find that they as
an industry supports the City in their efforts to install these cameras.
However since the City has failed to do this, they have reached the point where
they are not going to install the cameras until they understand and agree on
all of these issues.
In closing he stated that they
should keep everything as per normal for July with regards to the meter checks,
inspections, and the renewal for the licenses. As for the cameras however,
suspend the by-law, sit down and discuss the issues and come up with solutions
that all can agree on. If this can be done, he believes that in the end they
will agree with the City.
In response to some of the comments
made by the delegations, Mr. S. Kanellakos, Deputy City Manager, Community and
Protective Services wanted to clarify some the points. He explained that there were some common
themes and there was incredible resistance on some issues raised today. He
stated that the taxi industry is probably the most consulted stakeholder group
that they have in the City compared to almost any other group that the City
deals with. There was extensive consultation leading up to this by-law and
there was a provision for the industry to collect fees. He commented that
regardless of what has happened to the surcharge monies or how they plan to pay
for the cameras and installation, the industry had an opportunity that other
large cities did not have.
He stated that City Council is the
regulator of the industry and that as the regulator it has a responsibility to
regulate in the interest of public safety. The inquest may not have made a
recommendation regarding the cameras, but it certainly was very interested in
the notion of cameras. The McCarthy inquest did not recommend the cameras
because they knew council had already taken a proactive action to pass the
by-law.
He emphasized that the by-law has
been in place for 2 ½ years and therefore an incredible amount of lead-time to
deal with this issue.
In closing Mr. Kanellakos stated his
final point that as the fourth largest city in Canada, he believes that it is a
shame that cameras are not yet installed since all other cities that we compare
ourselves with have cameras installed and they work. He commented that having
worked with the police for over 15 years, he has a bit of an understanding of
what happens to grainy photos that you see in the papers where you cannot
identify any victims or what actually happened because the camera was of poor
quality and therefore feels it very necessary to have good specifications. The issue today is to ensure that the City
gets it right in regards to privacy matters.
The City felt that the industry had raised concerns about the Privacy
Commissioner and City wants to be proactive and ensure that they have the
Privacy Commissioner signing off on the protocol to ensure that all of the
issues that have been raised are in fact dealt with in a systematic way and
everyone understands the rules before the cameras go in.
He stated that it was unfortunate
that another common theme was presenting itself, resistance again, but the
regulator has a job to do and he believes that they are being very reasonable
now in terms of delaying this and ensuring that everyone understands the rules.
Moved By Councillor S. Qadri
That the Community and Protective
Services Committee recommend that Council permit the introduction of, and
approve the following:
1.
That
the implementation date provided in Section 103(3) of By-law No. 2005-481 pertaining
to security cameras in taxis as required in Section 37 of the By-law be
extended to July 2nd 2008; and
2. Approve that
the expiry date provided in Schedule “C” of By-law 2005-481 be amended to July
2nd in 2008 only, for the purposes of:
a) the
renewal of standard taxi driver licenses as provided in Section 9 (1) and the
grace period provided in Section 11 (1) of the By-law;
b) the
renewal of accessible taxi cab driver licenses as provided in Section 13 of the
By-law;
c) the
renewal of standard taxi plate holder licenses as provided in Section 16 (1)
and the grace period provided in Section 17 (1) of the By-law;
d) the
renewal of accessible taxi plate holder licenses as provided in Section 19 of
the By-law; and
e) the renewal of taxicab broker
licenses as provided in Section 23 (1) of the By-law and the grace period
provided in Section 24 (1) of the By-law.
CARRIED
Moved by Councillor G. Bedard
Be it resolved that after discussion with the Taxi Industry and
consultation with the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of
Ontario, that staff prepare before the implementation date an Access and
Privacy Protocol related to the operation of the security cameras in taxis to
ensure that access and privacy concerns are addressed, as required in applicable
legislation.
CARRIED